In book III, Plato concludes the ideas of the censorship program that Socrates began in book II. Plato speaks of a concept called the “noble lie”, which can be broken down into two parts. The first part being that citizens were not born from mortal human parents, but rather that the earth is their mother. The second is that when each citizen is born, they have metal in their soul, this is known as the, “myth of the metals”. Throughout history people have considered their country to be their motherland or fatherland. Plato is saying that you should treat your city or country as if it were your parents. He is trying to get people to be proud of their city and willing to fight and perhaps die to defend it. If the city is the parent of …show more content…
When Socrates proposes this it seems like something similar to a caste system. The three metals, gold, silver, and bronze are separate and should not mix. The metals are not equal, gold is preferable to bronze, because it is more valuable. What Socrates proposes is that there are three classes of citizens within the city, bronze are the lowest, gold is the finest, and silver is somewhere in between. Socrates does not want there to be warring groups within the city and when each type of person knows their role and does not stray beyond it, the city will have the political stability that it so desperately needs. The myth of the metals is designed to halt any ideas of rebellion from the lower two …show more content…
The classes do not allow for any movement, whether it be up or down. You are stuck in the class that you are “assigned” at birth, but ultimately you should be content with what you have. If the first part of the noble lie is true and every citizen is a son or daughter of the city then the city's best interests are your best interests. Unfortunately, that will not always be the case, especially if the classes are not equal. The only way for that to work would be for it to be taught to the youngest generation, have them continue with it and then pass it off to the next. Each class would be educated and trained to perform their various jobs, whether it be ruler, soldier, or worker. Training the children at a young age will prevent them from aspiring to divert or abandon their previously chosen path. Assuming that this worked then it would allow for the city to obtain a certain harmony between the three
In Plato’s reasoning he explains that everyone is born with innate qualifications that make them more fit than others for a certain occupation. He suggests that in this way each person’s function will be completed thoroughly. The same theory applies when deciding how the city with be ruled. Only people who possess superior traits will have the power to rule. These people will pertain to the highest ranking class of the state called the guardian class.
Socrates once said, “The unexamined life is not worth living.” He questioned the very nature of why things were the way they were, while never settling for simple, mundane answers. Socrates would rather die searching for the truth than live accepting what he considered a blatant lie. I like to think of myself the same way. I too would rather examine the wonders of life rather than accept what I am just told. The truth is some can’t handle the truth. I on the other hand welcome it with earnest anticipation and fervent enthusiasm.
In his Plato’s Republic Socrates tries to find the values of an ideal city in order to rightly define justice. Although I agree with most of his ideals for the city, there are also many that I disagree with. Some of his ideas that I accept are that women should be able to share the same responsibilities as the men, having women and children in common, , the recognition of honor based on the self rather than heredity, that the best philosophers are useless to the multitudes, and the philosopher / king as a ruler. I disagree with his views on censorship, having assigned positions in society, his views on democracy, and that art cannot be a respectable occupation.
Even today, Noble falsehood is a popular topic. On one hand, people are keen to talk how politicians use those well-intentional lies to achieve some incredible things. On the other hand, people accuse those politicians of divesting people’s right of choice making and intentionally hiding the truth. It seems that people have an alternative feeling towards falsehood. Thus, this essay is aim to discuss why and how in some cases falsehood is such a useful thing in politics, whereas in the others it is a contradiction in Plato’s political project.
As with all other topics discussed in “The Republic of Plato,” the section in which he discusses the myths of the metals or the “noble lie” is layered with questioning and potential symbolism, possible contradiction, and a significant measure of allusion. In Chapter X of “The Republic,” Plato presents “The Selection of Rulers: The
There are times in every mans life where our actions and beliefs collide—these collisions are known as contradictions. There are endless instances in which we are so determined to make a point that we resort to using absurd overstatements, demeaning language, and false accusations in our arguments. This tendency to contradict ourselves often questions our character and morals. Similarly, in The Trial of Socrates (Plato’s Apology), Meletus’ fallacies in reason and his eventual mistake of contradicting himself will clear the accusations placed on Socrates. In this paper, I will argue that Socrates is not guilty of corrupting the youth with the idea of not believing in the Gods but of teaching the youth to think for themselves by looking to new divinities.
The second book of the Republic shows the repressive quality of Plato’s society. Plato, talking through Socrates, wants
The concept of the noble lie begins with Plato in the Republic, where in search of an ideal state he told of a magnificent myth^1.The society that Plato imagined was separated into a three tier class structure- the Rulers, Auxiliaries, and the labor or working class. The Rulers, he said, would be selected from the military elite (called Guardians).The rulers would be those Guardians that showed the most promise, natural skill, and had proven that they cared only about the community’s best interests. The Auxiliaries were the guardians in training, and were subject to years of methodical preparation for rule. The lower class would be comprised of the workers and tradesmen, who being the most governed by their appetites, were best fit for labor. The introduction of the "noble lie" comes near the end of book three (414b-c)* Where Plato writes "we want one single, grand lie," he says, "which will be believed by everybody- including the rulers, ideally, but failing that the rest of the city".* The hypothical myth, or "grand lie" that Plato suggests is one in which, the Gods created the people of the city from the land beneath their feet, and that when the Gods made their spirit the precious metals from the ground got mixed into their souls. As a result some people were born with gold in their souls others with silver, and others with bronze, copper,or more even common metals like iron and brass. It was from this falsehood that the first phylosophical society’s social hierarchy was established. The myth goes as follows: Those the Gods made with gold in the souls were the most governed by reason, and who had a predisposition to contemplation which made them most suitable for rule. Those with silver in their souls where the most governed b...
While Plato is writing to prove Socrates a good or respectable person, he allows the modern reader a glimpse into Athenian culture. We see that religion is held in very high regard and failing to serve a religion is punishable by death, no matter what one’s social or political stature. In “Euthyphro,” the reader learns that sometimes an Interpreter is consulted when dealing with certain criminal behavior. Also, we realize that the Athenians regard a son accusing a father of a crime, no matter what the charge, as very odd and of great annoyance to the family. I believe this is still true today. Family loyalty is considered, in some cases, more important than the laws of the country. One example is the crime families that operate in the country. These families are known to be patriotic, but their patriotism stops when family and money are involved. In “The Apology,” the reader sees some of the Athenian court system in action. Researchers can guess that prosecution and defense are allowed only certain amounts of...
These duties, which vary in accordance with the metal an individual possesses in his soul, are clearly outlined in Plato’s Myth of the Metals. Thus, a just man from the bronze class will possess different characteristics than a just man in the silver or gold classes. Despite these differences, both men may still be considered virtuous human beings. The most virtuous man, however, is an individual who possesses not only the qualities of his own class, but also those of the remaining two classes. For example, an individual from the gold class must certainly have a wise soul. However, if this individual is also appetitive and spirited like the individuals in the bronze and silver classes, then he is a most virtuous and just
Plato’s “Defense of Socrates” follows the trial of Socrates for charges of corruption of the youth. His accuser, Meletus, claims he is doing so by teaching the youth of Athens of a separate spirituality from that which was widely accepted.
In conclusion, Plato draws all the elements of his perfect city-state and started it by the kings. Those kings have to understand the good, because all the achievements of society will rely on them. Therefore all the evidence and Plato’s information of philosopher king will be useful for uniting people.
In book VIII, we see Plato, through Socrates, trying to rationalize democracy and how governmental structures eventually corrode over time. I also see Socrates wrestling with the same problem that modern America wrestles with and that is of personal freedom versus equality for all. Are my own freedoms worth giving up in order to secure equality for the city as a whole? I also see Socrates drawing on ideas that resemble that of capitalism or of a proto-capitalistic society. As society in the city, “degrades”, it increasingly has the tendencies and characteristics of capitalism. There are movements within the city to move away from old ideas of virtue and wisdom to ones of more humanly desires, mainly private property and wealth. Both of which
Plato class structure of a perfect society is on the accustomed ideas of equality and social mobility because Plato is not a defender of a strict division of classes that is the rulers (guardians), soldiers (military), and the people (working class). There is less similarity between Plato’s point of view of the society and the traditional American one. Plato uses the myth of gold, silver, iron, and brass in fixing the need of class division in the awareness of the Athens society hence this was a method of social control within the society. Creation of the human race is of God and when he created us, he mixed metals in our souls. As Plato said, “When the god was forming you, he mixed gold into those who are capable of ruling, which is why they are the most honorable; silver into the auxiliaries; and iron and bronze into farmers and other craftsmen.”
Plato supposed that people exhibit the same features, and perform the same functions that city-states do. Applying the analogy in this way presumes that each of us, like the state, is a complex whole made up of several distinct parts, each of which has its own proper role. But Plato argued that there is evidence of this in our everyday experience. When faced with choices about what to do, we commonly feel the tug of many different impulses drawing us in different directions all at once, and the most natural explanation for this situ...