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Socrates appeared to almost respond with humor or at the very least with a dry retort, certainly not apologizing for his positions. He calls the acquisitions slander, which seems to me that he uses an offensive rhetorical position, rather than a purely defensive or cowering posture. Socrates tells his audience, the accusers that Aristophanes is a place of comedy, again a rather offensive position to take against these accusers. This is particularly compelling in light of the potential for extreme punishment. Socrates underscores how little he thinks of these charges by suggesting that his sentence be free meals in the city center and one silver coin. Again confounding in light of the prosecution's offer of death as the sentence.
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points out that he is the wisest of the wise since he alone knows he does not know. Regarding impiety he plead a form of theological ignorance; pointing out that he did not have the insight of the gods regarding what goes on above or below the earth. In this regard his rhetorical tool seems to be that of stating the obvious, which in one manner puts him in control of the discourse. Socrates discourse to the accusers almost seems to suggest that Socrates is committing a form of suicide. Instead of taking the charges seriously he seems to make light of the chargers and the accusers and in doing so invites a death sentence. While the old charges included some reference to his special knowledge of things in heaven (above the earth) and "hades" (below the earth), the new charges against Socrates were simply that he was impious and a corruptor of youth. Socrates states his arguments and builds an overwhelming rhetorical evidence that he arguments are true or at the very least farm or persuasive than the prosecution. Socrates uses examples to make his points. On the corruption of youth, he uses horses and horse training as an analogy, saying what is true for horses must be true for people. Socrates says that those who train horses make them better but those that use horses corrupt them. He goes on to say that there are fewer trainers (teachers) than owners (users); therefore, it is the users that are the corruptors not the trainers. Socrates goes further to say that youth emulate him but don't do so because he has taught them. The next argument Socrates seems to make is that the people of Athens that don't care for or about youth are in fact the ones corrupting the youth.
Socrates this time uses Meletos instead of horses as his rhetorical foil. Socrates points out that Meletos never paid attention to the youth. He invites the Meletos to tell the court what exactly Socrates did to corrupt the youth making the point that someone who has little care for youth cannot charge another with neglect thus Meletos is contradicting himself and his charges are therefore baseless.
Finally Socrates says that no matter which way Meletos tries to accuse him the claims are without merit. If Socrates is corrupting youth is not intentional, therefore, he cannot be charged with committing an overt crime. "Either I have not a bad influence, or it is unintentional; so in either case what you (Meletos) claim is false." Since anything Socrates may have done to the youth was purely without intention and therefore totally innocent.
It appears that Socrates builds his arguments one upon another to a conclusion based on a logical progression of the arguments: Philosophers do not corrupt youth, Meletos contradicts himself, corruption by omission is not a crime, since Socrates is a Philosopher and not a teacher of youth he did not intend to corrupt youth and was falsely accused, and Socrates is not guilty and should not be
punished. In the end the big question for me is there a larger point to this than a retelling of Socrates trial. Why was he tried really? Was he tried for being an atheist and corrupting youth? Or was there animosity between Meletos and Socrates? Socrates was tried for not believing in the gods of Athens, however he points out that he is more religious than anyone. While Socrates explains the importance of self-knowledge he also seems to point out that his greatest intellect is that he knows that he does not know everything. He seems to point out that self-knowledge is more important than any other kind of knowledge. If "the unexamined is not worth living" then self-knowledge is the most important kind of knowledge. Finally, there must be historic context to give further understanding to the Dialogues and the trial of Socrates. In the 4th Century, BC, there were wars between the Greek City-States. Athens and Sparta were at war and the State took control of people's lives. As young boys became the wards of the state from an early age fear, anxiety and depression may be the dominant emotions of the time. In the tension of war, the domination of the State was conflicted by the emergence of new philosophic thought. The philosophers were often creating more confusion and asking more questions than answering. Some philosophers argued that there was not a logical reason for a moral life. The Teacher Socrates seems to try and restore some faith in these new ideas. However, antagonists came to power and eventually accused Socrates of polluting the minds of the youth and turning his back on the gods. Sadly, Socrates was put to death for his convictions and did not get to live out his examined life.
In spite of this, however, Socrates also uses two very obvious fallacies. Firstly, when addressing Meletus – who was among the individuals who accused him of impiety and corruption of the youth – Socrates misrepresents his argument to support his own position. He asks if Meletus is “not ashamed of [his] eagerness to possess as much wealth, reputation, and honours as possible, while [he does] not care for nor give thought to wisdom or truth, or the best possible state of [his] soul.” However, the two are not mutually exclusive. Caring about wealth, reputation, and honours do not necessarily entail not caring about wisdom and truth. This is quite a clear example of a straw man fallacy. In addition, Socrates uses appeal to emotion to attempt to manipulate the audience into thinking they are the ones doing wrong. He states that the people of Athens “will acquire the reputation and the guilt, in the eyes of those who want to denigrate the city, of having killed Socrates, a wise man. ” It is clear that by saying this, Socrates’ intention was merely to guilt-trip the audience. In contrast, neither of these fallacies are present in Riel’s speech; in fact, upon reading the transcript of said speech, no clear
Rhetoric, or oratory, is a knack and not an art. The statement is made by Socrates and is the main argument in Platos Gorgias. Although oratory is the point of the discourse between Socrates and Gorgias and Polus, Socrates is careful to align oratory with other activities that knacks such as cooking, beauty-culture (i.e., cosmetics), and sophistry (i.e., popular lecturing) sophistry together to expound the importance of intention when defining art. Arts are activities that are learned through study for the benefit of people’s body and soul. A knack, according to Socrates, is a natural aptitude that is perfected though routine to catch “fools with the bait of ephemeral pleasure” (30). Therefore, knacks are dishonorable and bad, because
In Plato’s Apology, when Socrates is pleading his defence, he makes a good argument against the charges of corrupting the youth of Athens. This is evident when he states that, firstly, Meletus, the man who is trying to get Socrates executed, has never cared about the youth of Athens and has no real knowledge on the subject. Secondly, Socrates states that if he was in some way corrupting the youth, then he was doing it unintentionally or unwillingly, in which case he was brought to court for no reason. Finally, Socrates brings to light the fact that Meletus doesn’t have a single witness to attest to Socrates’ corruption. This is how Socrates proves his argument that he isn’t responsible for corrupting the youth of Athens.
Socrates, in his conviction from the Athenian jury, was both innocent and guilty as charged. In Plato’s Five Dialogues, accounts of events ranging from just prior to Socrates’ entry into the courthouse up until his mouthful of hemlock, both points are represented. Socrates’ in dealing with moral law was not guilty of the crimes he was accused of by Meletus. Socrates was only guilty as charged because his peers had concluded him as such. The laws didn’t find Socrates guilty; Socrates was guilty because his jurors enforced the laws. The law couldn’t enforce itself. Socrates was accused of corrupting Athens’ youth, not believing in the gods of the city and creating his own gods. In the Euthyphro, Socrates defends himself against the blasphemous charges outside the courthouse to a priest Euthyphro. Socrates looks to the priest to tell him what exactly is pious so that he may educate himself as to why he would be perceived as impious. Found in the Apology, another of Plato’s Five Dialogues, Socrates aims to defend his principles to the five hundred and one person jury. Finally, the Crito, an account of Socrates’ final discussion with his good friend Crito, Socrates is offered an opportunity to escape the prison and his death sentence. As is known, Socrates rejected the suggestion. It is in the Euthyphro and the Apology that it can be deduced that Socrates is not guilty as charged, he had done nothing wrong and he properly defended himself. However, in the Crito, it is shown that Socrates is guilty only in the interpretation and enforcement of Athens’ laws through the court system and its jurors. Socrates’ accusations of being blasphemous are also seen as being treasonous.
One could see the final walk-away as a complete failure to a then seemingly meaningless story. Yet, I do not see it this way. Although Euthyphro walked away without a resolution, there was still much to be learned. The seemingly arrogant man that we were introduced to in the beginning, was not the same man in the final pages of the book. We may not have received a complete answer, but we did find something better; the knowledge that we cannot believe that our insights are always correct. And this is what Socrates strove to do: to evoke thought. When put on trial, we see this questioning is not an isolated occurrence as he states, “I believe the god has placed me in the city. I never cease to rouse each and every one of you, to persuade and reproach you all day long and everywhere I find myself in your company” (Apology, 30e). Socrates believed it was his duty to live a life of service in order to make people open their minds. In order for people to grow in wisdom, they needed to realize their ignorance. We need to be challenged in order to grow and it is through experiences, like Euthyphro’s, in which we become more
The first approach that Socrates uses to prove his innocence’s is he uses a practical comparison between horses and all living and artifical things “Take the case of horses; do you believe that those who improve them make up the whole of the mankind and that there is only one person who has a bad effect on them? Or is the truth just the opposite that the ability to improve them belongs to one person or to very few persons, who are horse-trainers, whereas most people, if they have to do with horses and make use of them, do them harm.” 2
Socrates was indicted to a court of law on the charges of impiety, and the corruption of the youth of Athens. Three different men brought these charges upon Socrates. These men represented those that Socrates examined in his search to find out if the Delphic Mission was true. In that search he found that none of the men that promoted what they believed that they knew was true was in fact completely false. This made those men so angry that they band together and indicted Socrates on the charges of impiety and the corruption of the youth. Socrates then went to court and did what he could to refute the charges that were brought against him.
(37) The problem is that many of the citizens of Athens who wanted Socrates dead, lacked that emotional intelligence and thought highly of themselves. So of course they become defensive when Socrates sheds light on the idea that they may be wrong. As someone who cared most about the improvement of the soul, Socrates would have made a constructive role model to the criminals of Athens, as he would go on saying, “virtue is not given by money, but that from virtue comes money and every other good of man…”(35) Socrates was able to benefit everyone alike as he had human wisdom- something that all the Athenians could relate
In his examination of Meletus, Socrates makes three main points: 1) Meletus has accused Socrates of being the only corrupter, while everyone else improves the youth. Socrates then uses an analogy: a horse trainer is to horses as an improver is to the youth. The point is that there is only one improver, not many. 2) If Socrates corrupts the youth, either it is intentional or unintentional. No one would corrupt his neighbor intentionally, because he would harm himself in the process. If the corruption was unintentional, then the court is not the place to resolve the problem. The other possibility is that he does not corrupt them at all. 3) In frustration, Meletus accuses Socrates of being "a complete atheist," at the same time he claims Socrates teaches new gods. Thus, Meletus contradicts himself. Socrates argues that fear of death is foolish, because it is not known if death is a good or an evil, thus there is no reason to fear death.
Judgment is very hard to use as valid reasoning. Everyone has their own judgments about everything. How does one know if what Socrates was doing was corrupting or improving the youth?... ... middle of paper ... ...
One of the reasons why Socrates was arrested was because he was being accused of corrupting the minds of the students he taught. I personally feel that it is almost impossible for one person to corrupt the thoughts and feelings of a whole group of people. Improvement comes form a minority and corruption comes from the majority. Socrates is one man (minority) therefore it is less likely the youth have been corrupted by Socrates than by some larger group of people (educators, council members, jurymen etc...).
In his defense, Socrates claims over and again that he is innocent and is not at all wise, “…for I know that I have no wisdom, small or great.” Throughout the rest of his oration he seems to act the opposite as if he is better than every man, and later he even claims that, “At any rate, the world has decided that Socrates is in some way superior to other men.” This seems to be his greatest mistake, claiming to be greater than even the jury.
...nse and cross-examination of Meletus, he hits on contradictions in the affidavit that Meletus wrote. Over and over again Meletus is made out to look stupid and contradictory of himself. In no way would I believe any of Meletus' statements. Unlike Socrates, when questioned, Meletus could not come up with a swaying or even put together answer. Socrates answered the charges clearly; he gave precise arguments reasons why he is not guilty. Meletus could not even back up his charges. Throughout his argument Socrates shows his wisdom and intelligence. Socrates has not hurt anyone in his life; he has only gone on his way questioning people because that is what he does best. It was not his fault that people took an interest in what Socrates was doing; and it was not Socrates' fault that people started following his lead. Therefore, I would plan on voting not guilty.
He makes two points one that no man would wish evil up his self. He knows that if he does evil then in return that evil will come back to him. So, to say that he is intentionally corrupting the youth is absurd. But if he does corrupt the youth its unintentional and therefore doesn’t need to be brought to court but needs to be cautioned privately. Meletus is still insistent on his accusations. So, he goes on to make his second point that Meletus is contradicting his own accusations by saying that he corrupts the youth by teaching them things like virtue, wisdom, and pertaining to divinities but to teach anything pertaining to gods he must acknowledge the gods in some way. But Meletus accused him of not acknowledging the gods of the state. So, therefor Meletus must be lying. He says that Meletus doesn’t care about the youth of the Athens but has a grudge against him and that’s why he wants him dead.
While on trial, he welcomes and invites any youth or any relative, father, or brother of a youth to make an accusation of his wrongdoings (para. 62). However, no one comes forward to accuse him. Thus, through logos, Socrates argument can be made that if no youth, or relative, father, or brother of a youth can come forward to provide evidence for him corrupting the younger generation, how can he be found guilty? Surely an argument must be made against him, but no one comes forward to accuse him of his wrongdoings.