Aristophanes' Theory of Love in the
Symposium
2. Aristophanes' Theory of love: from Plato's Symposium The love as discussed by the
characters in the Symposium is homosexual love. Some assumed that homosexuality alone
is capable of satisfying “a man’s highest and noblest aspirations”. Whereas heterosexual
love is placed at an inferior level, being described as only existing for carnal reasons; its
ultimate purpose being procreation. There are differing views in these dialogues,
Aristophanes contradicts his peers by treating heterosexuality at the same level as
homosexuality, arguing that both are predestined. Aristophanes considered himself as the
comic poet and he began his discourse as such. Yet as the speech continued, he professed
to open another vein of discourse; he had a mind to praise Love in another way, unlike
that of either Pausanias or Eryximachus. “Mankind”, he said, “judging by their neglect of
him, have never at all understood the power of Love”. He argued that if they had
understood him they would have built noble temples and altars, and offered solemn
sacrifices in his honor. He sought to describe his power and wanted to teach the rest of the
world what he was teaching at that moment. Aristophanes spoke first of the nature of man
and what had become of it. He said that human nature had changed: The sexes were
originally three in number; there was man, woman, and the union of the two. At one time
there was a distinct kind, with a bodily shape and a name of its own, constituted by the
union of the male and the female: but now only the word 'androgynous' remains, and that
as a term of reproach. Aristophanes proceeded by telling an anecdote about the terrible
might and strength of mankind and ...
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... wisdom”, never allowing himself to
divert from the real pursuit of beauty: Since beauty is the ultimate objective of Love.
Aristophanes and his comical tale of the way mankind came about needing a partner
greatly opposed that of Socrates. Aristophanes put homosexuality and heterosexuality at
the same level, believing that both were predestined. He recognized that love was a need;
a longing to regain a lost happiness. Socrates, on the other hand, concluded that
heterosexual and homosexual Love were not at all at the same level. Arguing that physical
desire was inferior to the “love of wisdom” which is more widespread in homosexuality,
adding that women are “incapable of creative activity above the physical level.” Ultimately
what transpires from his speech is that he has a meaning of Love quite different from that
which the common man would attach to it.
Or at least a form of love, he had refounded his awe of Judy
prized. This of course was more of a problem for a rich husband than a
I have always thought that there was only one type of love, which was that feeling of overwhelming liking to someone else. I am aware that Lust does exist and that it is separate from Love, being that the desire for someone's body rather their mind. In Plato's Symposium, Plato speaks of many different types of love, loves that can be taken as lust as well. He writes about seven different points of view on love coming from the speakers that attend the symposium in honor of Agathon. Although all these men bring up excellent points on their definitions on love, it is a woman that makes the best definition be known. I will concentrate on the difference between the theory of Common and Heavenly love brought up by Pausanias and the important role that Diotima plays in the symposium.
Aristophanes has mildly insulted the previous speakers in two ways. By claiming that one of the original forms was androgynous, he has suggested that heterosexuality is at least as natural as male homosexuality – as is being a lesbian. In contrast, Empedokles in fact did hold to a theory of sorts based on fitness to the environment, the description at 191c strongly suggests that only heterosexual relationships yielding only a temporary satisfaction and relief, allowing the participants to go about their business.
This passage marks the first of several types of love, and gives us an intuitive
writing the poem, to woo his love. Or maybe is the line was not meant
Despite these works being written over centuries apart, the authors correlation of the concepts of love were notable. Plato’s Symposium was composed of different views regarding their definitions of love, while Carver’s “What We Talk About When We Talk About Love” focuses on what a group of friends talk about on the topic of love. Both pieces contain groups of people discussing their ideologies and relatable experiences, which in the end emphasize the complexity and variety of this emotion. Even though these literary pieces were written over two thousand years apart, similarities could be found within them regarding the concepts of dying for love as well as acknowledging the different forms of love that exist.
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He was willing to risk everything he had in order to show his love for
Man was now thought of as the center of life, as opposed to God being the
philosopher that he was, he had quite a different take on the issue. Socrates strove
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