1. Theaetetus first proposes that knowledge is nothing but perception as one who knows something is perceiving the thing he knows. Socrates presents the ‘cold wind’ argument in an attempt to show how things appear to the individual and how they are to for the individual by explaining that sometimes when the same wind is blowing, one could feel chilly while the other could not. There is no way in return that knowledge could then be defined as perception for four reasons. There is no truth about anything due to man being the measure of all things and each have their own conceptions for what is truth and real. For example, the world appears radically different to a color blind person that it does to someone with normal vision. The objects that …show more content…
we perceive as colored then must not be the real objects but just our experience of these objects that is determined by the individuals subjective point of view. Socrates concludes that there are therefore no objective qualities of objects and nothing can be named. Then nothing is ‘one’ or definite except the forms; everything else is in flux. If everything is in flux since we cannot see the forms, then there is no being; everything is becoming. It is clear that when attempting to define knowledge, Theaetetus’ proposal was disregarded quickly by Socrates as he comes to illogical conclusions from this definition. 2. Theaetetus’ final proposal is that knowledge is true judgment with an account, or justified true belief. I would like to propose an example on how we can use this definition in the real world. Let’s say I have a true belief on the subject of how to make a loaf of bread. To give an account of the elements in a loaf of bread, I know you need 500g of bread flour, 7g of yeast, 1 tsp of salt, 300ml of warm water, 2 tbsp of sunflower oil, and 1 tbsp of honey. Knowing the ingredients alone would not be enough knowledge to have justified true belief as we do not know how the elements are arranged to form the loaf of bread. For the sake of the example say we know the directions; tip the flour into a bowl and mix in the yeast with the salt. Stir in the water, oil, and honey and bring together to make a soft dough with your hands. Tip the dough on a floured surface, knead for 10 minutes, put the dough in a tin, bake uncovered at 200c for 30 minutes or until golden. We now know give an account of the elements of bread and know how the elements are arranged; but does this mean I have justified true belief on the subject? Socrates would argue against my example by referring to the Puzzle of Misidentification. Socrates believed that a person can give an account of elements of a subject and know how the elements are arranged but can still give false belief without knowing the Forms. It is proposed that false belief occurs when someone misidentifies or switches knowledge with one thing as another. He refutes that in all epistemological cases, you either know or don’t know, if you know something you can’t not know it and vice versa. If you know two things, you also can’t mistake the two for you would not know them and if you don’t know something you can’t mistake it for what you do know. Socrates refers subtly to the Forms, saying that the world has unifying attributes that aren’t physical but are rather formal and the Forms make a thing be what it is. Those who cannot see the forms cannot posses justified true belief. 3. Plato presented his theory of Forms by explaining that there are two realms in reality, the physical world and the world in which we cannot observe, located out of space and time, made of eternal transcendent ‘forms’. Forms are perfect, unchanging templates used as ultimate reference points for all objects we sensualize in the physical world and although we cannot see the Forms or know exactly what they are, they are more real to us than we realize. A form is a quality or property of an object. For example, if we separate the properties found on a checker board such as color and weight and considered the squareness (shape) by itself, you are thinking of the form of squareness. Whenever you evaluate one thing as ‘better’ than another, you assume that there is an absolute to which you can compare the two objects. For example, how do you know that a dog with four legs is better than a dog with 3? Plato answers this by saying that everyone can picture what qualities a perfect dog should have (making Forms universal), and this picture we all bring to our head is the Form of a dog. Forms are said to be essential to explain the structure of reality because the Forms provide explanation of why any thing is the way it is and are the source or origin of the being of all things. We must remember that forms only exemplify one property, material objects are impure as they are a combination of properties. The cave metaphor illustrates a connection between the material world and the properties of Forms. The shadows on the wall represent material objects that we see but the real objects passing in front of the fire creating these shadows are the Forms. When relating this analogy to reality, Plato believes the real world to be the world of the Forms and our world is a shadow of that world; the objects we see provide a poor imitation of the Forms. From this analogy, we can see that the Forms are the cause of all that exists, hence why it is vital in Plato’s eyes to understand the Forms in order to begin to explain the structure of reality. 4. The theory of the Forms holds that individual things have their properties because they participate in Forms that give them those properties. Socrates presents the ‘Whole Pie Model’ of participation, for X to partake of Y is for X to get the whole of Y as its share of Y. For example, the entire Form of beauty could be found in a painting by Van Gough, Michelangelo, and Rembrandt. All of the paintings are beautiful by virtue of partaking in the Form of beauty. If the entire Form of beauty lies in each object at separate places, then causality and the Whole Pie Model suggests that a Form could exist in two separate places at the same time. Socrates and Parmenides conclude that this is logically impossible because in order to retain its oneness, a Form must exist in one location at one time and it cannot separate from itself. Therefore, if Socrates wants to retain the theory of Forms, then he must abandon the Whole Pie Model completely. Socrates presents a day analogy in order to solve the problem of this theory of participation relating to the Whole Pie Model. Suppose that a form is like a day and just as a day can be in many separate places at the same time without being separate from itself, a Form can be in many separate places at the same time without being separate from itself. Parmenides immediately counters that Socrates’ day analogy is like that of a sail. A sail can cover many separate people only if each person is covered by a different part of the sail just as a day can be in many separate places at the same time only if the different parts of it are over the separate places. This analogy shows that the only way Socrates’ day analogy could be possible is through the use of the Piece of Pie Model, which was disproven when it was agreed that a Form cannot be separated or divided due to the theory of participation. 5. Parmenides raises the ‘greatest difficulty’ that the theory of the Forms faces. He gives an argument stating that Forms are entirely separate, Forms only relate to each other and particulars relate only to each other. If this is true, it’s impossible for humans to know the Forms. We come to grant that knowledge of Forms is more precise than knowledge in humans. Since Gods have more precise knowledge than humans, only Gods know the Forms. Since no Form is human and humans cannot know the Forms, the knowledge of Forms in the Gods is not present in humans. Therefore, we come to conclude the gods don’t know human affairs. 6. The virtue of piety is regarded as a manner of living that fulfills one’s duty both to gods and to humanity. It is important to address what piety is as Socrates had recently been charged with impiety and is about to be tried before Athenian court to determine his fate. The significance of this question should also show importance to Euthyphro, who is a plaintiff going to court to charge his father of murder. If Euthyphro cannot define a difference between piety and impiety, who is to say Socrates’ charges could be held in court or if Euthyphro should testify against his father? We are poised instantly with the question whether the gods love us because we’re good, or whether we are good because they love us. More simply put, Socrates wants Euthyphro to clarify whether a person has a quality of piety, whether this quality is something pleasing to the gods and therefore the gods love that person, or if the gods love a particular person and therefore that individual is pious. Both speakers accept the first option, but point out that if both options were true, it would create an endless circle.
What makes the god-beloved the god-beloved is the fact that the gods love it, whereas what makes the pious the pious is something else entirely. The gods can love many things for many reasons and therefore, whatever is pious may be loved by the gods, but what is loved by the gods is up to discretion. For instance, he points out that the gods argue over not questions that can be reached through calculation but over questions such as what is just and what is good. Socrates asks Euthyphro if people who are pious are also just in which he responds yes, but there is a part of justice that cares to the gods and part that cares to the men. The problem with this statement lies in the notion of ‘care’. With some things such as horses and men, care implies some way of making them better but when applied to gods, care cannot have this meaning as men cannot make the gods better. He states that prayer and sacrifices are not beneficial to god as god doesn’t need our acknowledgement but the practices are only beneficial to the believer. If we can do nothing to benefit god, then the first part of justice is irrelevant and we must focus on other men or moral conduct according to Socrates. Euthyphro then defines pious as not what is beneficial to the gods but as what is pleasing to them. We come to conclude that neither Socrates nor Euthyphro knows what the true nature of piety is as they cannot explain the origin or why piety is the way it is. We are left with the initial question of what is
piety? 7. Meletus has accused Socrates of ‘impiety’ by teaching the youth about new gods and disregarding the commonly accepted ones. This accusation leads Socrates to his inevitable death, but Socrates brought up an argument against ‘his corruption of the youth’ that I would like to note in the form of the horse trainer analogy. He begins by questioning Meletus about who improves the youth if he has such a bad influence on the youth in which Meletus replies laws, jurymen, the spectators, members of the Council, and the whole population of Athens but Socrates. This brings Socrates to present his first defense with an equestrian analogy. The reader is presented with a horse that you want to improve. One would think to take a horse needing improvement to a horse-trainer, a specialized individual who has the ability to improve horses. He claims that most people without the skillset possessed by the horse-trainer would have a negative influence with the possibility of making the horse worse. If it takes such expertise to improve a horse, then that would imply that only an expert is capable of improving the youth. This undermines Meletus’ first main accusation against him in an attempt to show the court that he is ignorant of the very knowledge necessary to make the relevant charge. I only find Socrates’ argument convincing when such improvement needed is knowledge. We cannot compare making a horse physically fit to making a human virtuous as the tasks differ drastically. 8. When Socrates was younger, he recounts having a passion for the natural sciences, intent on learning what caused things and their attributes to continue or cease being. However, all scientific explanations only acknowledge the laws governing the behavior of materials and do not lay out any reason for why they behave as they do. He gives an example saying that he used to think people grew larger by consuming external nourishment but this fails to answer what makes one person larger than another? Socrates then turns away from the studying of natural science thinking it would make him soul-blinded, saying they caused him to unlearn many of the things he thought he had previously known. He comes to conclude that intelligence organizes all things and aims to discover the reason for anything’s coming to be, ceasing to be, or continuing to be, and ask how that things should best be. This is where Socrates’ study of the philosophy of man and human nature comes about with his theory of Forms. 9. Every lesson I found myself pondering important questions brought up by Plato. The question “What is Love” struck me instantly as I found this concept extremely interesting. I enjoyed the way Plato wrote the Symposium and the dialogue was one of the easiest to read as he introduced his lessons carefully. Some questions I found myself asking were; what is loves ultimate object, does one have to ignore the previous rung on Plato’s love ladder in order to advance, can one attain the highest form of love on the ladder modern day, how long does it take to fall in love with the next rung, and so forth. I also questioned this entire semester his theory of the forms. I understand what they are and their purpose, I just find it hard to conceptualize how we can know about the forms if they do not exist in our ‘physical realm’. I ponder the thought of if we ever did see a Form in the physical sense in the past. The biggest question brought to my attention is how can we apply what Plato teaches the reader to real life? How can I apply his teachings and better myself day by day? What does it mean to fulfill the good life?
During the dialogue, Euthyphro defines, “Piety means prosecuting the unjust individual who has committed murder or sacrilege, or any other such crime, as I am doing now, whether he is your father or mother or whoever he is.” Given this Euthyphro overarching principles can be summarized as divine law requires to prosecute the offender no matter who she or he is. Also, the ideology should be what befits humans as well. Socrates is fine with how Euthyphro accounts the factual evidence of his father’s misguided acts. What Socrates takes problem is how Euthyphro uses greek mythology to highlight that taking action against your parents is the correct direction of action. Due to the fact that mythology isn’t confirmed to be true in any sense, socrates feels as though this is extremely inappropriate. Euthyphro actions should be based on divine law with results in him being impious. Socrates ultimate principles can be summarized as respect for parents should be the ultimate law combined with whatever does not befit the gods shouldn’t befit everyone else. Insert another
Euthyphro by asking “whether the pious or holy is beloved by the gods because it is holy,
When discussing specific knowledge, it is often hard to pin down an exact definition of what it is you are discussing. Often a concept or word will get thrown around so often that it will begin to be taken for granted and when pressed, a person may struggle to pin down specifically what it is they mean. Realizing this, Socrates often went out and attempted to fix these kinds of problems and find out what people actually knew, compared to what they just thought they knew. In the dialogues Euthyphro and Meno, Socrates attempts to pin down definitions for piety and virtue, respectively. In doing so, we are shown that the thinkers in question struggle to define these terms, and attempt to do so in vague terms that may vary heavily under different circumstances. What Socrates is attempting to find is one definitive definition of piety and virtue, what is called his One Form Requirement. Rather than defining something by classifying different parts that make it up, Socrates maintains the belief that piety and virtue both can be simplified into one specific form that describes exactly what makes all F actions F.
Because Socrates’ ideologies and beliefs went against the cultural expectation of Greek society at the time, he was prosecuted for being impious and corrupting the minds of Athenian youth. In the words of Euthyphro, being pious is doing what pleases the Gods. The reason Socrates was being accused of being impious was due to the fact that he did not believe in or acknowledge the Gods that the city of Athens believed in. His accusers also believed that he introduced new deities which was seen as corrupting the youth. This is because Socrates believed that Athenians did not truly understand the meaning of piety themselves. That’s why in the text Euthyphro, Socrates questions Euthyphro what is pious or impious. Socrates never wanted to indoctrinate
Life without knowledge would be worthless. Talking about knowledge what i mean is knowledge about something. The description of the state of some object is knowledge. The object may be either abstract or physical. Some examples of abstract things include memory, feelings and time. But how we obtain knowledge? Many philosophers tried to find an adequate answer to this question. They came up with so many theories summarizing the process of knowledge. But none of them all was able to state a clear definition of pure knowledge. One of those philosophers is Plato. In this essay I am going to discuss the concept of knowledge according to Plato’s philosophic conception of knowledge. I will clarify what knowledge is not perception. And from this I will move to explain the justified true belief theory. Then I will show the lack in this theory by referring to counterexamples: the Gettier cases. To end up with a conclusion that states what is my understanding of the process of knowledge.
Euthyphro’s second definition of piety is “the pious is what the gods love”. Socrates takes this idea and
In the Euthyphro, Socrates is making his way into the courthouse; however, prior to entering he had a discussion with a young priest of Athens, Euthyphro. This dialogue relates religion and justice to one another and the manner in which they correlate. Euthyphro feels as though justice necessitates religion and Socrates feels the opposite, religion necessitates justice. Euthyphro claims that religion is everything, justice, habits, traditions, customs, cultures, etc. all are derived from religion. Socrates went on to question what exactly would be the definition of pious. Euthyphro offered Socrates three definitions of pious and in all three Socrates was able to successfully find fault...
Keeping true to Socratic/Platonic methodology, questions are raised in the Euthyphro by conversation; specifically “What is holiness?” After some useless deliberation, the discussion between Socrates and Euthyphro ends inconclusively. Euthyphro varying definitions of piety include “What I do is pious to the gods,” and, “What is pleasing to the gods is pious.” Socrates proves these definitions to be insufficient, which leads us to the Apology.
Euthyphro was arguing that by doing what the gods believe is holy and pious you are making them better, in other words you are taking care of them and it is like a kind of service that you are doing towards the gods. Euthyphro said, “The kind of care, Socrates, that slaves take of their masters” which meant that you are taking care of them in the sense that you are making them better and not actually caring for them (17, 13d). In other words, you are helping improve them and this is a service that the gods appreciate and want you to do. He believed that this service is improving the gods and that they like this service. The gods believe that being holy is a service towards them, therefore there should be a reason on why the gods use us and want to reward our holiness. He believes that the gods choose what is holy for a reason and should be approved by
question. The Euthyphro has Socrates and Euthyphro discussing what piety is. In an attempt to give an answer to this question, Euthyphro states that what he is doing now namely, prosecuting his own father for murder is pious (5E). Socrates rejects this as an answer saying that he wishes to know “what this form [piety] is” (6E). In essence, what Socrates is looking for here, is a formal definition. In his paper, Geach claims that this is a grave mistake on Socrates part. In his search for knowledge of piety, Socrates has made the errors that Geach enumerates
In Plato’s Theaetetus, Socrates examines the first definition of knowledge that theaetetus gives that knowledge is perception. Socrates gives us many example that both supports and refutes that knowledge is perception. The basic claim from Protagoras is that truth is based on the perception of every man. This means that things are to any person as they seem to that person. Socrates explains to us Protagoras’s view with the cold wind example.
Some include: prosecuting the wrongdoer; simply being loved by the gods; and whatever is dear to the gods is considered pious. Within this excerpt from Plato’s Five Dialogues, there are alternative parts to the question. The first part is saying that doing morally good acts which cause the gods to love someone is pious. So, when Euthyphro claimed that prosecuting his father is an act loved by the gods, the act of bringing justice is what makes someone pious thus loved by the gods. This is evident in the first take mentioned in class, when Euthyphro gave the example of Zeus castrating his father Cronos. He then goes to claim that since Zeus is the highest of the gods, whatever he does cannot be impious. Euthyphro then compares his situation to Zeus’ which he then concludes that his actions are indeed pious. This is connected to the first part of the posed question because it is talking about the actions performed by the subject that cause the gods to love that subject, thus making the whole situation pious. In one of the “takes” mentioned in class, Euthyphro claims that the pious means to solely be loved by the gods. Like discussed in class, changing is the active while being changed is passive. This can be applied to something loved because it is being loved. The ones doing the loving are the
He states that “It is impossible to attain any pure knowledge with the body” (P 66 e) This is because the physical senses, touching, smelling, seeing, hearing and tasting are deceiving (P 65 b). If you stick your hand in cold water until it becomes numb and put your hand into hot water afterwards the water would still feel cold and not hot, like the water actually is. Eyes can be deceiving as well. There are many optical illusions where objects look closer or farther away than they really are. There are mirages, like the illusion of a water pool in the desert that results from the sun and reflections. Plato says you cannot gain knowledge from the senses because they are deceiving and are “not clear, precise or accurate” (P 65 b). Plato also discusses the idea that the senses cannot grasp the reality of things. Plato uses the concept of forms, which are the real, original, immortal, perfect form of things like justice, good and truth. In the Phaedo he has Socrates have a conversation with Simmias, asking if he has ever seen the Beautiful, or the Good or the Just with his eyes, or if he has ever grasped them with any of his bodily senses. They conclude that the senses cannot grasp the reality of things and therefore pure knowledge and truth can never be
How is one to determine that everything our eyes perceive is the truth? For us to see certain objects, we need the truth and the good to shed light on objects or ideas of objects. Sight is the only sense that relies on something else (light) to make things visible to the naked eye. Plato has organized a map on what is seen and how it is perceived called The Divided Line. The Divided Line recognizes the difference between what is true knowledge and what is just opinion. This is a chart of how reality is organized based on Plato’s thoughts. By using “The Good” and “The Sun,” Plato further arranges by the object perceived. With the object perceived, we must know the mode of perception, which is then followed by the type of perception. Everything on earth or in the mind can be arranged into one of these categories. Later in the paper, the example of a common chair will be spoken of. The Divided Line is separated by having the most real on top, while the things not as real on the bottom of the chart. Plato uses this Divided Line map to relate to an example of a cave and a prisoner inside the cave. By relating the inside of the cave to the realm of opinion and the outside of the cave to
The interesting dialogue between Socrates and Euthyphro demonstrates this Socratic method of questioning in order to gain a succinct definition of a particular idea, such as piety. Though the two men do not come to a conclusion about the topic in the conversation seen in Euthyphro, they do discover that piety is a form of justice, which is more of a definition than their previous one. Their conversation also helps the reader to decipher what makes a good definition. Whenever Euthyphro attempts to define piety, Socrates seems to have some argument against the idea. Each definition offered, therefore, becomes more succinct and comes closer to the actual concept of piety, rather than just giving an example or characteristic of it. To be able to distinguish between a good definition and a bad one is the first step to defining what Socrates so desperately wished to define: w...