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Philosophers try to answer, or simply ponder upon, many questions. One of them being what we fundamentally are; that is, are we a material body or an immortal soul. Are we a pile of bones and skin that walks, pumps blood, eats, etc. or are we mostly an amorphous, intangible soul? What is our main function, which one is better, or more fundamental? The way one would answer these questions depends on the philosophical practice they subscribe to and instill. Skeptical philosophers, like Sextus Empiricus, examine this question while believing true knowledge is impossible. Skeptics search for the truth anyway, just as Rene Descartes searches for truth in his Meditations. Through the works of Rene Descartes, illuminated by Empiricus and Simon Blackburn, …show more content…
we can see the Skeptic process in practice as Descartes tries to figure out if the self consists more of the soul or the body, and can analyze how he fits in with other Skeptics on this issue. In Outlines of Pyrrhonism, Sextus Empiricus breaks down what a Skeptic is and what their process is. His outlines are important for giving a background look into the Skeptic philosophy, from which we can examine the work of Rene Descartes and Simon Blackburn. Empiricus writes, “Sceptics go on searching […] we declare that we do not make any positive assertion […] we merely report accurately on each thing as our impressions of it are at the moment” (318) The goal of the Skeptic is the suspension of judgment and reach tranquility. Explaining further Sextus says: The criterion of the Sceptic discipline is the appearance […] dependent on feeling and involuntary affection […] Therefore, no one, probably, will dispute that an object has this or that appearance; the question is whether it is in reality as it appears to be (320) Using sensory perception the Skeptic examines their reality and decides what is true and what is false. They do not harp on the appearance of a thing, as all objects have appearances. Skeptics simply aim to understand the reality of that object. In one’s search, they find so many opposing opinions and views on the reality of an object and they realize they cannot truly decide which idea is true or false. Therefore, they suspend their judgment of the object. Once they realize that they cannot decide the truth of anything, they enter into the realm of tranquility (they are no longer searching). This background on what the Skeptic philosophy is helps follow Descartes’ musings on the mind verses the body.
Rene Descartes uses the Skeptical method to re-examine everything he knows and form concrete beliefs in the process. In some of his meditations he touches on the body verses mind dichotomy. First, the “body” and “mind/soul” need to be differentiated. Rene Descartes and Simon Blackburn lace definitions of these two entities through their writings. In his second meditation Descartes briefly discusses the difference between the mind and body. Descartes notes that he pulled this thought from his old, misguided days, but it is still useful for defining these two terms, as it gets the essence of difference between them. He writes, “I had a face, hands, arms, and the whole structure of bodily parts that corpses have – I call it the body. The next belief was that I ate and drank, that I moved about, and that I engaged in sense perception and thinking; these things, I thought, were done by the soul” (4). Basically, the main activity of the body is movement and sustenance, while the mind is used for sensing and thinking. Blackburn calls him a substance dualist. He further explains this distinction in discussion Descartes dualism, “thoughts and experiences ate modifications in one kind of stuff; movement and position belongs to the other” (51). The body’s basic function is movement and the mind’s basic function is sensing – one is tangible, while the other is …show more content…
ethereal. Descartes arguably most famous idea is “cogito, ergo sum”, or “I think therefore I am,” which he focuses his second meditation on.
This idea begins the philosopher’s ongoing discussion on the body and the mind. The first thing he must do is prove he exists beyond a doubt. Descartes declares, “If I convinced myself of something then I certainly existed” (4). This idea rests on the ability of his mind, if he did not actually exist, he would not be have any sort of mental activity. From this early point in the text, Descartes foregrounds the superiority of the mind. As Blackburn puts it, “he is forced to recognize that his knowledge of his self is not based on knowledge of his embodied existence” (20). For Descartes, the ability the think defines the self (the mind/soul)– he cites thought as the one thing that cannot be separated from him. He believes if he stopped thinking he would stop existing. His ability to think sustains him, at this point in his meditations he is only a mind, his mental existence is the only thing he has
proved. The existence of the mind was easy for Descartes to prove, but the truth of the body comes later in his meditations. His basis for the body existing is the basis of imagination. He theorizes, “my power of imagining depends on something other than myself; and I can easily understand that if there is such a thing as my body […] then it might be this very body that enables me to imagine corporeal things” (28). When imagining a body or anything else, one forms an image from things they associate with the word or object. Imitation, or the impression of worldly things, is the only thing that can form this image. This must mean that he has a body, as he could not simply imagine something out of nothing. (Lucretius’ principle “nothing comes from nothing” could be used here to explain Descartes point). Descartes also points out the senses and sensory impressions. The feelings of hunger, wind, or heat are not caused inside the mind because they come on without warning or thought in the mind. Wind is not made or controlled in one’s mind, but one feels it anyway. This must mean that there is an outside world one feels and a vehicle with which to feel it, or the body. Now that both faculties exist, the body and the mind, Descartes debates which one is more important to the self. He starts this debate with the ability to imagine, but throughout gives more credit to the mind than the body. He even proclaims, “my mind is me” (30). He then dissects why the mind is superior to the body. For Descartes one could still be the individual they were without the ability to imagine, but not without the ability to understand because imagination depends on an outside influence or force. He says, “the mind understands, it somehow turns in on itself and inspects one of its own ideas; but when it imagines, it turns away from itself and looks at something in the body” (29). One imagines a ball of wax because they have seen it out in the world, while one understands the wax an infinitely change because it can analyze it in the mind. The analysis comes from an original place “inside” the mind, but what the wax looks like an imitation of something worldly. Our senses are fallible, though, and this means we can conjure incorrect imitations. Our senses are wrong sometimes; they can cause us to perceive a building as round, when it is really square, or make us think something is enormous from a distance when it is actually not that large. The incorrect inputs from our senses can affect our imaginations. What one imagines as their body could actually not be real because one’s senses may have given them wrong data. As Blackburn summarizes, “souls are certain, bodies are doubtful” (29). This happens constantly in our culture – people think they are fat or overweight when in actuality they are healthy, but their senses have deceived them. The body cannot be the foundation of the self because, through our sense, we can have doubtable perceptions of the world and something is only true if it cannot be disputed. It seems Descartes chooses the mind over the body. While that it true to an extent, he does not completely discredit the body. He describes the relationship, “the whole mind seems to be united to the whole body” (33). For him, the two are different, yet connected in a way. Blackburn explains it well as a “ghost in a machine.” He says, “there is a close correlation between events of the one kind and those of the other: sticking a pin in someone makes physical changes, but it also causes a mental event in the feeling of pain” (52). While these two entities are distinct realms they do correspond to each other and cannot be fully separated. We only analyze the piece of wax because we imagine it melting, and we imagine it because we have seen it melt, etc. The linkage between the body and mind is not ignored here, but they are still too different to be one united thing. There are issues with Descartes position on the mind or body question. A true Skeptic would follow the same process as Descartes, but would not come to a conclusion as he did. Throughout his lamentations, Descartes favors the abilities and superiority of the mind, instead of giving both the body and mind equal criticism and praise. Once he proved the mind existed, he never critiqued this claim – though it does seem impossible to disprove, but so does the body and he does that. His conclusion also leaves a lot of room for interpretation about the relationship between the body and the mind. How do we know all mind and body relationships are the same? How do we know a cut causes the same kind of pain in one person as another? Could some relationships be stronger than others? Or could we be zombies or mutants, mindless drones walking around looking and acting like humans? Blackburn raises all these possibilities from Descartes statement that the mind and body correspond, but are hugely, fundamentally different. A complicating factor to the idea is it is not as easy for one to imagine the co-dependent but separate relationship between the mind and the body. Most people think of their selves made up of these two entities, they cannot separate them. When someone is asked who he or she is, they picture what they would look like in a mirror, but recognize their mental activity. If one thing is easier to imagine does that make it true? For a Skeptic, the answer to this cannot be known, as true knowledge is impossible. Are we a body, a soul, or a team of both depends on one’s impression at the moment, as states Sextus Empiricus. While one idea may be more appealing to some, another idea might be more appealing to another, and both may be have merit for that individual. This is why it is hard to choose an opinion, and why Skeptics do not. Descartes wanted to find true knowledge that could not be doubted. His statement on the mind’s superiority in the mind can be doubted though. This raises the question if infallible knowledge is possible? Can we really discredit someone for thinking they are more of a body than a mind or vice versa? We cannot because these things cannot be absolutely proven and because Skeptics work on the reality of a thing at the moment, and that opinion is someone’s reality. Though Descartes did not correctly use the Skeptical approach, he seems to still have found inner peace; he is happy with his mind, his body, and his god all proven true. His reality of the mind verses body dichotomy provides him with his own true reality, creating his own tranquil space in the validity of his self.
At the start of the meditation, Descartes begins by rejecting all his beliefs, so that he would not be deceived by any misconceptions from reaching the truth. Descartes acknowledges himself as, “a thing that thinks: that is, a thing that doubts, affirms, denies, understands a few things, is ignorant of many things” He is certain that that he thinks and exists because his knowledge and ideas are both ‘clear and distinct’. Descartes proposes a general rule, “that whatever one perceives very clearly and very distinctly is true” Descartes discovers, “that he can doubt what he clearly and distinctly perceives is true led to the realization that his first immediate priority should be to remove the doubt” because, “no organized body of knowledge is possible unless the doubt is removed” The best probable way to remove the doubt is prove that God exists, that he is not a deceiver and “will always guarantee that any clear and distinct ideas that enter our minds will be true.” Descartes must remove the threat of an invisible demon that inserts ideas and doubts into our minds to fool us , in order to rely on his ‘clear and distinct’ rule.
In his "Synopsis of the Following Six Meditations," Descartes writes the longest paragraph by far on the Second Meditation. This is hardly surprising, since it is the one most critical to his methodology -- the one without which, his entire system of reasoning would collapse. In the first sentence of it, he presents exactly that conclusion which, as we have just seen, Baird and Kaufmann discussed: "In the Second Meditation," he says (p. 23), "the mind uses its own freedom and supposes the non-existence of all things about whose existence it can have even the slightest doubt; and in so doing the mind notices that it is impossible that it should not itself exist during this time." He goes on to say that this will enable the mind to distinguish itself from the body. At this point he spends a good deal of space speaking of exactly why he will not attempt to prove the immortality of the soul in this section, though perhaps some of his audience might have expected him to.
This is a change from ancient and medieval traditions, like Aristotle, because Descartes does not focus externally on a soul or on an external thing that is using the human body; rather Descartes believes that the body is used to give us perceptions but that we cannot always trust these perceptions while seeking the truth (Brown 156). Descartes explains that “... our senses sometimes deceive us, I wish to suppose that nothing is just as they cause us to imagine it to be… I resolved to assume that everything that ever entered into my mind was no more than the illusions of my dreams” (Brown 156). Descartes also mentions that he does not believe all things are false because of his existence, he thought “... remarking that this truth ‘I think, therefore I am’ was so certain… if I only ceased from thinking, even if all the rest of what I ever imagined had really existed, I should have no reason for thinking that I had existed. From that I knew I was a substance the whole essence or nature if which is to think” (Brown
In the second meditation, Descartes is searching for an Archimedian point on which to seed a pearl of certainty. By doubting everything in his first meditation, Descartes consequently doubts his own existence. It is here that a certainty is unearthed: “If I convinced myself of something then I certainly existed”(17). However, Descartes “does not deduce existence from thought by means of syllogism, but recognizes it as something self-evident by a simple intuition of the mind,” or in other words, by natural light (Second Replies:68).
Descartes claims there is a real distinction between the mind and body. In the Second Meditation the Meditator establishes his existence, that he is a thinking thing and the distinction between the mind and body. Descartes claims he is a thinking thing and since he can think he exists, same too with the mind. The mind is a thing that thinks therefore the mind exists. Using the method of doubt discussed in the First Meditation, Descartes is able to doubt the existence of the body but not the mind. Descartes cannot doubt that he has a mind , but can doubt he has a body therefore Descartes is a thinking thing and not a body. He can exists as a thinking thing without a body because the body's existence can be doubted.
For our minds to be separate from our bodies first of all we have to
Our mind and our body are undoubtedly separate from each other. A mind can survive without a body, and, likewise, a body is just house for the mind. In The Meditations, Descartes describes this concept in his dualist theory in the second of multiple Meditations. We can reach this conclusion by first understanding that the mind can survive any destruction of the body, and then realizing that you are identical to your mind and not your body. In other words, you are your thoughts and experiences – not your physical body. Finally, you cannot doubt your own existence, because the act of doubting is, itself, and act of thinking, and to think is to exist as a “thinking thing,” or Res Cogitans.
One of the ways in which Descartes attempts to prove that the mind is distinct from the body is through his claim that the mind occupies no physical space and is an entity with which people think, while the body is a physical entity and cannot serve as a mechanism for thought. [1]
In the Sixth Meditation, Descartes makes a point that there is a distinction between mind and body. It is in Meditation Two when Descartes believes he has shown the mind to be better known than the body. In Meditation Six, however, he goes on to claim that, as he knows his mind and knows clearly and distinctly that its essence consists purely of thought. Also, that bodies' essences consist purely of extension, and that he can conceive of his mind and body as existing separately. By the power of God, anything that can be clearly and distinctly conceived of as existing separately from something else can be created as existing separately. However, Descartes claims that the mind and body have been created separated without good reason. This point is not shown clearly, and further, although I can conceive of my own mind existing independently of my body, it does not necessarily exist as so.
Once Descartes recognizes the indubitable truth that he exists, he then attempts to further his knowledge by discovering the type of thing that he is. Trying to understand what he is, Descartes recalls Aristotle's definition of a human as a rational animal. This is unsatisfactory since this requires investigation into the notions of "rational" and "animal". Continuing his quest for identity, he recalls a more general view he previously had of his identity, which is that he is composed of both body and soul. According to classical philosophers such as Plato and Aristotle, the key attributes of the soul involve eating, movement, and sensation. He can't claim to h...
...nclude, Ryle is correct in his challenge of Descartes’ Cartesian dualism, the mind and body are not two separate parts as dictated by dualist, rather the working of the mind are not distinct from the body. As a result, an observer can understand the mind of another through the actions of the body. It is the combination that makes up a human, human, as they are one and the same.
Descartes is a very well-known philosopher and has influenced much of modern philosophy. He is also commonly held as the father of the mind-body problem, thus any paper covering the major answers of the problem would not be complete without covering his argument. It is in Descartes’ most famous work, Meditations, that he gives his view for dualism. Descartes holds that mind and body are com...
In the second meditation he has found one true fact, "I think, therefore I am". Descartes then attempts to discover what this "I" is and how it perceives reality. The "I" is a body, a soul, and a thinking thing. It gains perception and recognition through the senses, the imagination, and the mind. He runs into two major problems in these meditations. The first was the existence of reality. The second is the connection between body and mind as he defines them.
In Meditation Six entitled “Concerning the Existence of Material Things, and Real Distinction between the Mind and Body”, one important thing Descartes explores is the relationship between the mind and body. Descartes believes the mind and body are separated and they are two difference substances. He believes this to be clearly and distinctly true which is a Cartesian quality for true knowledge. I, on the other hand, disagree that the mind and body are separate and that the mind can exist without the body. First, I will present Descartes position on mind/body dualism and his proof for such ideas. Secondly, I will discuss why I think his argument is weak and offer my own ideas that dispute his reasoning while I keep in mind how he might dispute my argument.
He believed that the mind was completely separate from the body. He supported the idea that it was completely possible to for each of these things to exist without the other (Skirry, 2015). This is called substance dualism. Where the physical things do not hold any thought and spread into space. Whereas the mental things, are things with all thought and no involvement into that of the physical world. Descartes main argument for dualism is one of indivisibility. He believes that the mind is strictly indivisible whereas the body is divisible. An example of this argument and how it relates to dualism is that if “a foot or an arm or any other bodily part amputated, I know that nothing would be taken away from the mind.” (Calef, 2015). In Descartes eyes, a man is only something that thinks, or in other words, man is mind. To me this describes the body as something where the mind is located within. He does state that humans are far different than any other substances out there (such as objects) in the way that the mind and the body are used in conjunction with each other. In this I believe means that the brain, being a physical part of the body, is not what makes a man. A brain is what works in conjunction with the man (the mind) to enable life in the physical