The Role of Women and Marriage in Socrates' The Republic

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In his constant quest to find the true meaning of justice and the creation of the ideal city Socrates finds that while many of the element of the city have been properly set forth he forgot to take into account the place women will have in the city and the idea of child-rearing. After some careful discussion about the nature of women and how it would relate to their particular role in the city Socrates and Adeimantus come to the agreement that the women will be assigned their roles in the same manner as the men of the city. This agreement eventually will lead the men to the discussion of marriages and procreation in the city and how it is to be regulated in order to maintain the greater good in the city.

Socrates begins his explanation of marriages in the city by first establishing that all spouses and children in the city be held in common in order to avoid any factions among the people. Then he further goes on to explain that in order to avoid irregular unholy intercourse there will be festivals at set times in the year during which the marriage of couples for intercourse will occur. According to this decree the best women will be “given” to the best and most prestigious men of the city often times in multiples in order to secure there will be more offspring of this caliber. While the process of setting forth or arraigning these marriages will be left to the noblest guardians in order to disguise this fact the distribution of wives will be decided through a serious of games that will lead the ordinary man to believe his wife selection was based solely on chance.

Once the offspring are born according to Socrates they are to taken by the people who are giving the responsibility of child-rearing in the city. The offspring...

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...with the number of children being produced at the same time and based on the amount of time placed in between each mating period. Finally there is the separation of the children from their parents at birth and their placement with nurses for the extent of their rearing. This creates a problem because it goes against the maternal nature of most women and does not explain what would happen if a mother refused to give up her child.

While in theory I agree with some of the points Socrates made in his placement of women and the value of marriage in the city I cannot help but to find it unworkable in application. In practice Socrates’ new institutions will in many cases lead to more problem than help for the city. The new provisions set forth will simply open the door for the same corruption that Socrates has worked so hard to keep out while forming this city thus far.

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