Hobbes Vs Rousseau

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Thomas Hobbes, John Locke, and Jean-Jacque Rousseau weigh into the discussion about justice and morality both in the state of nature and within their defined civil societies. Hobbes enforces that individuals do not have moral obligations, but instead are are based on rationality. Locke argues that humans are moral in the state of nature and in civil society. Lastly, Rousseau takes a view that merges both Hobbes and Locke’s views of morality by claiming that humans are not moral in the state of nature, but the obtain morality once they enter into civil society. ___________________here is my thesis and that means a thing.

Thomas Hobbes argues for the idea that humans, regardless of being in civil society or the state of nature are are not …show more content…

The only way to establish a common power is to get one will that will direct the will of the other (79). For Hobbes, coming together to unite under a single all powerful being is entering into a civil society. Entering into the civil society does not grant humans morality, because Hobbes, regardless of the state, believes that humans do not have this morality. Instead humans are only driven by rationality and the rationality that they are driven by leads to validity of the covenants made between humans and the sovereign. Legitimate covenants follow what a person can rationally do. Humans in Hobbes civil society give up their individual rights to the sovereign to which he is supposed to be in the utmost control. “To promise to do something that is known to be impossible to not covenant [...] (find actual cite CH 14). For the sovereign to be in effect all covenants created must be valid, for Hobbes, Justice consists of the keeping of valid covenants. But validity covenants with setting up an enforcement power for the people to perform. Fear of punishment of not performing is valid because all rationality is dependable. If it is rational to follow then the covenant is considered valid. The sovereign can do virtually no harm, unless he orders an individual to do something they would not rationally be able to do, such as taking his own life. If the sovereign does this then there does not exist a valid covenant. The sovereign is not bound by valid covenants and therefore the sovereign cannot be unjust. The sovereign has rational power, so whatever the sovereign does; it is rational for us to comply. THe only right that people have against the sovereign is if the sov. Requests that they do something irrational, they do not want to oppose

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